. >> when he was elected, many people did not know who he was. we are still learning about him and his time. also, his interactions with the poor. he is someone who is always reached out. >> the phrase that i use is ripped up the script. we just saw images of desmond tutu. the anglican experience against the africana experience in south africa. with in the religion of south africa, there has been so much to mull. -- tumult. catholic, what do you see for south africa as they try to move forward? this is a huge issue. >> nelson mandela was a huge, unifying figure. even in the last years of his life, he still helped people together. what will happen among these groups in the coming days and years will be critical. >> when you see south africa, do you perceive that religion still is front and center? i believe that he was in a methodist school coming out of the tribes way back. his religion still important there? >> i think that the anglican church still has a presence there. it can definitely play a role. >> part of the problem that they with his is